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    georgia hb 875

    Stand Your Ground Against This Bill

    by | 20 | Feb 21, 2014

    Gun-Roulette

    It’s the first day of school. Imagine weepy parents and eager teachers. Imagine clingy children, it’s the first time we leave them in the care of our school. Some kids are thrilled with their new found independence.

    Now imagine that teacher armed with an AR-15, a lightweight, 5.56 mm, .223-caliber, magazine-fed, air cooled rifle with a rotating-lock bolt, actuated by direct impingement gas operation. A weapon we see in the movies. But it’s not a movie. It’s Georgia and it could be real, with passage of HB 875.

    The pro-gun lobby would have us believe that arming our teachers will make our schools safer – but we know that’s not true. How can it be true when the same gun lobbyists fight to prevent background checks that would lessen the likelihood of, felons, domestic abusers, and the mentally ill from buying guns? Especially knowing that close to 40% of gun sales transpire with no background check of any type conducted, but oppose closing that loophole. Especially when all deterrents meant to dissuade individuals from breaking the law as well as punishment is for all intent, removed.

    This proposal reduces punishments from criminal to civil offenses in some cases with ridiculously small fines for violating any portion of this proposed law. It in essence encourages carrying guns in places not allowed because there is no punishment to deter it. This bill may as well be called the “Oops I forgot Bill.” All a person has to do is claim “oops I forgot” they were carrying a gun in to a place not allowed and there is ZERO option to charge a person with a criminal offense for violating this law if they do so repeatedly, so why would they obey the law?

    This law is a very bad idea. The gun lobby and the state legislature are allowing online sales, but this legislation does not address that. Why not? Anybody wanting to buy a gun, be they a criminal, mentally unstable, etc., can simply click on armslist.com and purchase a firearm. I believe that poses an unnecessary and avoidable danger to every citizen in Georgia, not to mention my children and grandchildren.

    What does it say about Georgia when the inclusion of Stand Your Ground in this bill, allows the use of deadly force, on the streets of our cities, that is less restrictive than our military in a combat zone. Our military must first warn and then give the threat the opportunity to retreat before employing use of deadly force. With Stand your Ground, all a person has to do is claim they felt threatened and all is forgotten. No warning, no chance to retreat, just pull out a gun and just start shooting if you feel threatened. Our streets are not a combat zone, but they might be if this bill becomes law.

    We should be focused on: responsible gun ownership. I support the Second Amendment and I’ve helped fight for our Constitutional rights. Every generation of my family has served our nation in the Armed Forces since the Civil War. We fought in World Wars, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq .

    I know guns. I received extensive weapons training while serving in the U.S. Army for over 20 years. I served with various infantry divisions as a munitions and explosives technician. I trained with the M14 rifle. I trained with the M16 rifle, which is a military select-fire adaptation of the AR-15. I know the .45 caliber automatic pistol and I’ve been trained to use the .50 caliber machine gun. I qualified expert with all of them.

    I know guns. They are dangerous weapons, which have no business in our schools, our houses of worship, bars, on college campuses, or in government buildings regardless of security screening equipment, regardless of opt-in or opt-out provisions — all places where the Republican controlled Georgia state legislature is working overtime with the pro-gun lobby to allow people to carry guns virtually anywhere without fear of legal sanctions of any significance.

    As service members, each of us had to pass a background check to carry our guns, and we were committed and trained to the responsible use of our weapons. Now we need to stand up and fight the gun lobby and send a clear signal that we stand with our country in doing what we can to protect our rights and our families by keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the dangerously mentally ill.

    On the day Congresswoman Giffords was shot, along with 18 others — six of whom lost their lives — a man was nearby with a gun and ran to offer help. That man later said he was glad he didn’t shoot his weapon that day as he nearly shot the wrong person. We should be fighting for common-sense legislation to close the loopholes so that felons and the dangerously mentally ill can’t buy guns online or at gun shows, avoiding a background check.

    The bottom-line: Guns in my grandkids’ preschool classroom is not the answer.

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    Georgia’s HB 875 will next be considered by the state Senate. Please contact these committee members, as soon as possible. Ask them to vote NO on HB 875.

    GA Senate Judiciary Non-Civil Committee:

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    Charles O. Hendrix Jr.

    Charles O. Hendrix Jr.

    Sergeant First Class Charles O. Hendrix Jr. served for 20 years in the U.S. Army and medically retired in 1992. He lives in Pickens County, Georgia.

     

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    • Laura Grace Bordeaux

      Thank you, sir!

    • Phil Evans

      “People in schools, houses of worship, bars, college campuses, or in government buildings do not have the right to defend themselves using a gun from armed criminals that would rape, rob, or murder them” -- Charles O. Hendrix, Jr.

      • Chooch0253

        Maybe I need to explain things more direct.. More guns carried by more people in more places, equals more death at the end of a gun barrel. Contrary to the repeated rhetoric by the pro-gun lobby, Gun Free Zones like churches, schools, college campuses, are not targeted because they are gun free. They are targeted because the shooter had prior experience with those places. There is no evidence to support the b.s. claim that mass murderers targeted the place they chose to kill because they were gun free. 36 of the mass shooters committed suicide on site. A rational thinking person, would not say they targeted a specific place because it was safer for them to kill themselves at that location. Statistically, schools and college campuses experience less crime than in the general public. The only reason to allow guns on school grounds or college campuses, would be to make it equally as dangerous to gun violence as general public areas. There is no evidence to support the need to introduce guns into environments that are much safer than being in the general public. I won’t even address the guns in bars issue. If you do not see the problem with this idea, I hope you do not own any fire-arms. I am in my 60’s. I have lived and worked in Boston, St Louis, Miami, Cleveland, Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, and the Atlanta metro area. I have not once ever needed a gun. I have never been raped, robbed, or murdered. Strange how that works out isn’t it? I do not need a gun and have never needed a gun for protection. I have more than 100 functional brain cells and do not put myself in to situations I can’t get out of. Brain power is a lot more useful for protecting oneself than a gun. Also I am not intimidated by people that walk around with guns. When I see them, I just get as far away from them as I can. Having served 20 years in the Army, I am quite familiar with what happens when somebody with a fire-arm panics. Men who train for months to be in fire fights panic when the crap hits the fan the first time. Here in this country, we have a bunch of people that shoot at paper targets and think they can stop an attack by an armed adversary. They are delusional and in denial. Wanna be Dirty Harry’s. They are also down right dangerous to others around them.

    • Mike

      Please show me, where in HB875 it authorizes teachers to carry AR-15’s or any rifle.

      • Chooch0253

        I sent you an email answering your question in response to the email you sent me. I could cut and paste the whole thing here but do not see the need. If you have any more questions please feel free to email me again.

        • Mike

          And if you read my reply, you will see why I asked. There is nothing in HB875 authorizing any long guns. You must read the whole bill, not just the parts you want to use to instill fear in your readers.

          • Chooch0253

            I have read the entire “proposal” several times. I even took the time to cut and paste the particular sections that address carrying “weapons” on school grounds. Your refusal to acknowledge what they contain is not something I can help you with. Your claim about wanting to instill fear is rather laughable. I am not a person implying if people can’t carry a gun everywhere they are not safe. That would be you.

            • Mike

              Have I made any such claim. Cutting and pasting a section of the bill that has no relevance to teachers carrying does nothing to support your claim. Hopefully those school districts that can not afford metal detectors (which never seem to work in the districts that now have them) or security personnel will be able to have trained and licensed personnel on hand if the need arise.

            • Mike

              I have read the entire “proposal” several times.

              Don’t you now wish you had read the correct version?

    • Phil Evans

      Mr. Hendrix, your analysis is sorely flawed. Mass shooters in “gun free” zones are not completely rational, but they are not completely irrational either. They know they have a lot of defenseless victims at their mercy. They only kill themselves when they know they are surrounded by police, or when they are wounded by a civilian defender. They off themselves when they know their gig is up. Tell the parents of dead and wounded Columbine, Virginia Tech, and Sandy Hook students about how statistically safer schools are and see if that comforts them. Tell that to the multiple victims of rapists and robbers on Georgia Campuses.

      In 2012, 127 rapes and other forced sexual assaults were reported at Georgia
      campuses, according to the most recent data reported to the U.S.
      Department of Education -- DOUBLE the 2010 number.

      You do know that if the law allows guns to be carried in previously “gun free” zones, it is only for those who are licensed? Is there a rash of license gun owners shooting innocent victims? Is there a rash of shooting victims at the hand of licensed gun owners at public playgrounds? Last Sunday, I openly carried my pistol at Yellow River Park’s playground in Gwinnett. Another parent there noticed my gun and came up to me to talk about crime and guns. He was glad I was carrying. He was concealed carrying. Oh my, the horror! Two people armed…around children! The only ugliness was our showing each other our weapons licenses that has our smiling mugs on them. LOL

      It’s been legal since 2010 for licensed carriers to drink alcohol in restaurants while carrying a gun. Have their been any alcohol influenced shootings by licensed carriers? Come on, where’s your statistics?

      I’m glad you’re in your 60’s and have never needed a gun. Unfortunately, many under 60 year olds have needed one when they didn’t have one. I guess you can carry your luck around like a charm, but to heck with the rest that are not so lucky, huh? I guess those poor victims had less brain cells than you do. I guess the young lady who was raped in her college campus parking lot right across from the unmanned security office had a dearth of brain cells. Yeah, you tell her, man!

      Regarding panic. I was never in the military, and do not have professional training in self-defense shooting techniques. Yet, some years ago I was the target of a bad guy who tried to sneak up on me on foot while I was in my car and had no way to go forward or back up. I did not panic, but did act. No one got shot, and the bad guy quickly changed his mind. He had made it to my window just as my hand gripped my gun. I guess those brain cells of mine saved the day, huh?

      The young 21 year old college student who was attacked by two robbers in a grocery store parking lot a few years ago got a small cut on his neck from the bad guy, but he didn’t panic. He put a bullet in the robber’s head and kept himself from further harm.

      Guns are used in the United Stated hundreds of thousands of times a year by civilians who successfully defend themselves from criminals -- most often without firing a shot. See the studies done by John Lott. So much for your panic hypothesis. You supposedly don’t fear guns, but you fear the common man (or woman) carrying one. Got it. Baa, baa, baa.

      You are free to go anywhere you like unarmed. You do not have the option of forcing your lifestyle on others who are not willing to live that way, just because you don’t trust your fellow man to be armed. Thankfully, the law in Georgia is on the side of people like me who carry a firearm as prudent insurance against criminal attacks. And the law will stay on my side for a long time in the foreseeable future, at least in Georgia.

      If you don’t like that about Georgia, then New Jersey and New York have open arms.

      • Chooch0253

        Everything and anything ever written by your hero John Lott has been summarily rejected as bogus nonsense. It is no wonder you fabricate tales about 100 of thousands of times a year by citizens defending themselves from criminals. You would not know the truth if it were tattooed to your forehead. Not to mention this insane proposal has not passed the entire legislature. It still needs to get through the Senate and a signature from the Gov. Don’t count your chickens before they hatch. This bill will not pass. It will stall out just like last year. The only people pushing for this bill is GeorgiaCarry. Of which you no doubt are a member. I recognize the rhetoric.

        • Mike

          For someone that tries to base their argument on the wrong version and claims to know how the read a bill, you make some bold accusations. Come back to the conversation and let’s discuss the bill fully to show the people how much good is there. Your half truths and innuendos are not enough to convince.

    • Tom

      I have five grandchildren in public schools. I’d be thrilled and a lot more relieved to know their teachers have the power to stop a psycho bent on getting his name in the news. Back up the teachers with trained police officers as well. Aiming nukes at each other kept the US and USSR mindful of what might happen if hell broke out. Works with people too. We’re at a point now where we are running out of options. Living in the United States of Massacre now.

      • Hard for me to share your enthusiasm for arming teachers -- not a one in my years in school or those of my children or grandchildren would I trust to keep safe a gun or make the correct decision on which child to shoot should the one in a million situation occur. And just how are our police to tell the difference when the teachers start firing. If you believe the issue is kids bringing guns to school, shouldn’t we do something about where they are getting them and why they aren’t locked up? Let’s support law enforcement, not make it harder for them.

        • Mike

          Lee Leslie, unfortunately, the police usually don’t get there till it’s over. No teacher would want to take a life and hopefully it never comes to that in Georgia. Your question “why aren’t they locked up?” is a very good one. There are already laws in place for what you are asking. Why punish the innocent for the actions of the guilty? I fully support law enforcement, but it has been made quite clear, it is not their responsibility to protect us.

          • Since there are so many more gun deaths at home than at schools, seems to me that we should be focused on how to keep gun owners from shooting themselves, their children, spouse and neighbors. To keep your gun safe from your family requires locking it up -- preferably unloaded. I assume it should be even more true a schools, since so many kids today are bigger and stronger than their teachers. I cannot imagine that our students would be safe when teachers and administrators are walking around carrying weapons -- somebody is going to get shot at every school. Please don’t do this. If you need your child protected at school, home school them.
            I’d hardly characterize gun registration, an understanding of the responsibility of gun safety (particularly in a household with children), background and law enforcement checks and a periodic renewal as punishment any more than I would car registration -- just commonsense.
            Mike, I do trust the police to protect me -- worked so far for almost all of us, though it worked better when there weren’t so many guns around. A generation or so back, fewer people owned a gun (most still don’t own guns), they didn’t need one and we were safer -- so were law enforcement. I’m not trying to take away anyone’s gun -- not my business. But the political pandering is silly and dangerous. We need commonsense gun laws to protect us from ourselves.

            • Mike

              Would you not rather a teacher be able to protect the children under their care rather than just shield them. HB875 requires that the guns not be accessible to the students. As a matter of fact, the students shouldn’t know what school personnel is armed.

              I totally object to registration, NO ONE, needs to know what legally owned tools I have or how many. I do believe in mandatory training, not for GWCL holders, but for our children. They should be taught gun safety in the schools with different programs available for all age groups from pre-k through high school.

              There is nothing in HB875 that would remove GBI and FBI background check for license applications. No one is claiming this is punishment. On the other hand having to be fingerprinted every 5 years is ridiculous, my fingerprints have not changed in the last 63 years.

              I was born and raised in Georgia, Guns have been a part of life in Georgia since the beginning. I don’t know how you can say that there weren’t so many guns around. If you are not trying to take anyone’s guns, what is your purpose here?

            • There seems to be a premise problem, you argue that we need to arm teachers to prevent our children from being shot at school: estimated odds are 1 in 15 million that a US Student will be killed in a given year (http://www.psychlawjournal.com/2013/01/school-shootings-what-are-odds-part-iii.html).

              If your assumption is correct and that we need to protect our kids from threats, wouldn’t it follow that we protect them first by the greater dangers they have? For instance, the odds of being killed by an asteroid these days is 1 in 500,000 (http://www.livescience.com/3780-odds-dying.html) -- I know, that’s absurd, after all, we could get rid of the risk of getting shot at school, by not allowing guns at school. Getting rid of asteroids is harder. But what about some of the other risks, suicide, being run over, burning to death in a fire, choking on food, fire, falling down steps, falling off a bike, lightening, dog or snake bites, bee stings, electrocution, drowning, or natural causes (all a greater risk than being shot at school)?

              The idea of arming our schools to save our children is about politics, raising money, gun industry profits and not about protecting our children. Arm teachers and school administrators and we’ll have more shootings, not less.

            • Mike

              What odds are you willing to put on your child’s life? Show me where in any state that allow teachers or school personnel, remember there is nothing that says teachers will be armed, to carry weapons have any innocent children been shot. Again I ask, are you aware that guns are now allowed in our schools? Are you familiar with Georgia’s current laws regarding guns and their usage?

    • Dylan Hendrix

      Something I find rather amusing, people supporting this bill want to revert our society back to the wild west. I for one think it’s an imbecilic idea of what our society should be. But if it comes down to it. Imagine survival of the fittest at its most base form. If people want to let fear rule their lives and the lives of their children let this bill pass.

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