Politics
Don’t fly me to the moon
The President’s budget for 2011 has been unveiled. What’s news is not what’s in it, but what’s not: $3.5 billion out of the GAO estimated $97 billion needed to send former President Bush back to the moon by 2020. Worthy goal? Undeniable. Priority at a time of record deficits, unspeakable unemployment and in the midst of two wars? Hardly.
Sure, you might say, “Hey, this is a jobs program. This will cost Florida, Texas, California, Ohio, Maryland, Virginia, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi and New Mexico big time and the hurt will spread to Congressional districts all over. Plus, we need Lockheed, Boeing and Pratt & Whitney’s stock strong.” Yeah, politicos hate the idea of ever stopping a Federal jobs program. It will be a big fight. One, I suspect, that might provide leverage for some savvy bi-partisan-don’t-wannabes to sell their vote for something deemed worthy.
But just wait, there’s more news to hit the fan – another $5 billion in cuts is buried on the OMB’s web site. Popular programs that affect the DOE’s historic whaling program, Pentagon procurement of even more C-17’s it doesn’t want, many programs that are duplicates of other programs, tax subsidies that are used to pretend that we are developing something commonly known by its oxymoronic name, “clean coal”, payments to store peanuts and cotton, EOC grants for emergency preparedness in areas that will never ever be at risk, subsidies to pay banks to be the profitable middle man for student loans, Pentagon programs for weapons that have been determined to not work and never will, grants to worsted wool manufacturers, countless demonstration programs that have demonstrated they don’t work, and repeal of subsidies to the oil and gas industries. When critics were calling for the President to present a responsible budget, they were looking for cuts in help for the poor and sick. Not the connected and wealthy. This budget, if you’ll pardon the pun, will never fly.
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Here we are talking about flying again. This budget is in the red by more than a trillion dollars. I don’t really care where the cuts are. Someone is going to have to just say no to all of this spending and soon. Social Security and Medicare are a huge part of the budget and as we all know, entitlement programs never go away. So our elected officials are going to have to have some intestinal fortitude and cut everything else and learn to live within their means just like I do and you too I would guess. The recession we are experiencing is mild compared to the meltdown our economy would suffer if we default on our debt. And by the way, what % of the budget is eaten away by interest payments on the debt? Many a homeowner has realized that paying only interest on a mortgage and never paying down the principal is economic suicide.
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That would be budget not buget. When are you going to install spell check for the comments section?
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Thanks for the personal responsibility comment, I liked that a lot. It is too bad, so many people blame everyone else and do not accept personal responsibility. So, thanks for the reminder and yes, I should take my time and check my own spelling.
I liked pay as you go. If memory serves, that was initiated by Newt Gingrich when the Republicans made promises and gained control of Congress. If they had remained true to their values and their promises, conservatives would still be in power today. Now we have liberals in control and chaos ensues. George Bush, in my opinion, was one of the most liberal Republican presidents ever to hold office.
We will not have explosive growth or any growth as long as there is uncertainty regarding laws that may or may not be passed, that will impact business as greatly as those that are pending. Cap & trade, health care, new taxes or fees on banks, global warming legislation and increased taxes on corporations are all things the administration would like to pass and until they do or declare they will not, business will not move forward. Uncertainty from government is a death blow to Capitalism. The Presidents angry outrage at the financial industry brought a halt to the increasing Dow Industrial Average and today the benchmark was just a breath away from dropping below 10, 000. With the debt as high as it is and our debtors as nervous as they are, high inflation is a given and I am now investing in equipment for I know I will not be able to afford same in the future.
If the administration continues their “damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead” stance and the debt continues to rise, as it did today when the Congress voted to raise the debt ceiling, then Katy bar the door, for we all will sink with the ship, our President at the helm.
I am hopeful cooler heads will prevail, although I am hard pressed to name one.
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Biggest budget busters are lib-left-dem wet dreams: Social Security and Medicare. Sure, tell me different. The Dem party refuses any responsible management of social entitlement and wealth transfer to unproductive citizens. Largest single destructive force in current credit crisis/recession: Fannie and Freddie, another Bwawney Thfwank & Democrat abomoniation. Obama is the most irresponsible fiscal president ever in U.S. history, second only to his predecessor — but then he’s raising year-end budget deficits at TEN TIMES Bush II’s rate. He also plans to pay for his borrow and spend program with cap-and-trade gov’t credits from a bill that will never pass. He’s pro-regulation from healthcare to energy, which spells private (productive) sector doom. He’s a bum, along with Pelosi and Reid. That cannot be mentioned enough.
You want to turn this into a partisan pissing match over fiscal irresponsibility, Democrats giving away three touchtowns in the first 2 minutes. They lose every time. I will say Bill Clinton was a fine fiscal conservative who promoted entitlement cuts and free trade but you’d be an idiot not to think he was pushed there kicking and screaming by his GOP Congress.
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There is nothing complicated about not spending more than you collect in revenue. That is not dogma — it’s effing common sense! Your insistence on an “extraordinarily complicated government, society and economy” enables the bureaucrats to justify their ridiculous salaries in their failed attempts to explain to you, “We’re broke.” You don’t need a PhD to know that.
I’m sure you and I both agree we’re broke. So cut spending. And don’t just cut — slash, maim, burn. Bring the boys home. Whatever it takes. Then encourage the free flow of labor and capital domestically and internationally. Let the people who know how build, create and employ invest their wealth to renew the economy. And don’t be hostile toward their efforts. Let them be rewarded with mansions, champagne, cigarette boats and trips to San Tropez. Conspicuous consuption means jobs in construction, maintenance, services and travel. Remove the coercive gov’t as much as possible from uncoerced transactions that define true value. Gov’t cannot regulate the value of anything without destroying it.
I long for you to lose the desire to grant taxpayer subsidies to people who have no ability to pay for them. Like it or not, everyone dies, rich and poor alike. If you can’t pay your light bill, do you hand it to your neighbor to pay it for you? No, so why do you hand other bills to the gov’t?
You cannot transfer resources from the productive sectors to the unproductive sectors endlessly because the productive sector will cease to produce. That is not dogma, merely a fact. When the productive sector ceases to produce, what remains? You cannot have a persistent threat of uncertain regulation. You cannot endless borrowing without budgeting a payoff. You cannot tell people that the United States gov’t must tax you in order to change the weather. Don’t confuse truth with dogma**.
**(Again, more lib heretic-labelling. ALWAYS attack the person before the argument: the opposition are ignorant followers of “dogma” whose religious beliefs are “myths and legends” and, oh yeah, a pack of atavistic racists).
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To the character “Brenden,” your statement, “Biggest budget busters are lib-left-dem wet dreams: Social Security and Medicare” is a flat out lie.
Social Security and Medicare are paid through payroll taxes, not from tax collections that go into the general fund.
I share your concern over government spending, yadda, yadda, yadda, but please don’t try to compare apples to oranges in front of people who know the difference. -
Well, back to the topic at hand, and ignoring Brenden, who apparently has Republican talking points written on his hand, ala Ms. Palin, Project Constellation might have been a good idea in the beginning. But it is way behind schedule and millions, if not billions, of dollars over-budget. Even NASA officials, including Administrator Charlie Boldin, a former astronaut, think dumping it is a good idea.
Someone had to be the grownup here.
As for budgets, deficits have generally fallen under Democrats and risen under Republicans. That is a fact. As for Social Security and Medicare, I don’t care how they are paid for — though Cliff is right, they are paid for with payroll taxes. What I do know is that millions of older Americans would be impoverished without them. They would die from ailments that are perfectly treatable without Medicare.
Why do Republicans hate old people?
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Medicare and Social Security are insolvent. General fund, payroll taxes, lockbox-schmockbox — insolvent. They’re in the red this very moment and compoundingly so in the nearby and out years. They’re the fastest-growing components of the deficit. A tax is a tax.
You can’t legislate or otherwise force into existence “living wage” jobs. That is up to employer-investors who will pay a wage commesurate with their variable operating costs. When you constrain factors of production as you propose through 1) legislating wage rates 2) using inefficient (read: “green”) energy inputs and 3) constraining free trade increasing imported input costs — you increase costs to business. Small business, particularly. Resulting in fewer jobs for the poor.
Too many people in this country pay no taxes and receive benefits they could never hope to repay; more than 50 percent take well more than what they pay in. That is not right and not fair. The transfer payments given to the poor by the gov’t do not come as result of an exchange for their labor, hence no value is created. They may, as you say, put the money immediately back into the economy. Since that money was impounded by the gov’t from a productive business or individual that would have freely chosen how to best use it, that capital allocation is suboptimal. Suffice to say, that poor person would have been better off with a job. Of course we need a social safety net but not a socialist state noose.
OK, subsidies, lobbyists — yadda, yadda. The political system is broken. All this populism sounds good. But we give the gov’t its capacity to be corrupted. The only way is to constrain its power to do damage by limiting its power to tax, transfer and regulate. I hope the revolution does come soon, to return the gov’t to its size and role defined in our founding documents.
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I kinda start seeing your side, and then you go and say something like “Force adoption of recycled content in packaging.” Do you think the Chinese, Brazilians or Indians do this? Do you realize that such as suggestion would make American products prohibitively expensive in global trade? And that they would be replaced by the whatever packaging standards of a competing nation? And then you would not achieve any of the “green” goals you seek — and you would have fewer jobs here? And “Business is a game?” Um, I don’t know what you mean by that but I don’t think you’d try to win by profit maximization. I think you’re playing with a different rulebook.
The only way to address the source of corruption is to severely limit the gov’t's power to tax, transfer and regulate. Telling them to tell us to put all our finished goods in recyclable packaging I assure will result in more regulation, bureaucracy, subsidies and corruption.
If you got any jpgs of Chuck Noll around…
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Oh dear. I’m going to try to be nice here but… Here you are urging the gov’t to impound profits of productive “dirty” companies and have them legislate anti-competitive regulation that will, in the long run, make them less profitable. Then, you take the impounded profits and create competing unproductive “green” businesses to compete with the legally hamstrug “dirty versions” from whence you extract your seed capital. Then, you’ll no doubt offer the “green” companies some tax incentives.
I mean, jeez, don’t you see how screwed up that is? Why not state your goal: to eliminate the “dirty companies”? To eliminate profit. To have the state control the factors of production on the basis of whimsically-legislated politically correct outcomes. As opposed to, say, ol’ trusty-dusty reliable profit maximization or return on invested capital.
You’re willingness to take other people’s earnings and redistribute them to sentimental, dubiously “scientific,” gov’t-sponsored enterprises is really scary. You have no right to make such claims on other people’s labor and wealth. (And their effing liberty!!)
And China, Brazil and India jumping at this opportunity to dive into a chasm of economic ruin? Um, no. You are afflicted. Please seek help.
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I want to hope that reasonable minds can come to a consensus but when you say… “possible ways government could create an environment that would increase the probability of a successful venture”… well, that just ain’t right.
Who decides what is a “clean” and “dirty” company? You, Lee? Sen. Chambliss or President Obama, maybe? How familiar are you with the final goods packaging industry? Where in the hell do you get the cajones to make statements about how people should spend their own money and how entire industries should be structured? How do you even know what is “clean” and what is “dirty?” I’m guessing you’re applying the Potter Stewart porno test of “I know it when I see it.” That is totally subjective and does not account for any of the realities of input and output costs, industry structure, competitive dynamics and so on. Let alone the fact that free trade will result in competing nations not subject to your whimisical rules to dominate the market.
And get over this “living wage” nonsense. The wage rate is equal to the worker’s marginal productivity (and the capitalist’s marginal operating costs). It has nothing to do with your standards of what workers are entitled to, nor your outrage at the capitalist market structure nor your fairy-tale notions of “green” industry.
What you’re suggesting is totally outrageous, politically corrupting and destructive. You have the **right** to petition the gov’t to confiscate private property in this manner, but it is wrong for them to do so. In the long run, your goals will make American industry less profitable and less productive, resulting in fewer opportunities for the poor to lift themselves from poverty, increasing deficits, decreasing liberty and so on.
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Sweet, Chuck Noll!
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No, you’re saying something different. You’re not saying, “Thus-and-such is a dangerous chemical and here’s the scientific evidence therefore we are going to ban it.” Producers find substitutes. You’re saying, “Force adoption of recycled content in packaging…” and have the gov’t create “clean” businesses to compete with “dirty” ones.
So, “the people” will decide acceptable business practices? So you don’t have any definition whatsoever for “clean” and “dirty,” yet you propose to subject the whole final-goods packaging process/industry to a politically determined outcome. Do the owners of the packaging businesses ever get a say? You know, the people most affected by what you suggest? I dunno, man, I realize I can’t sell you on the insanity of all this so I guess I’ll just leave it up to anyone who cares to read this far.
Two final points:
On wages, the macro-economist says the market supply and demand for labor determines wages. Wages can be (in)elastic subject to the demand for labor. To the extent producers have market-power to “collude” as you say, that is also a function of the worker’s substitutability — either by another worker or a piece of equipment. The micro-economist says the worker’s wage should equal his marginal productivity with respect to the marginal operating costs. If the worker can provide more value, he should be paid more. Economically, both propositions are true.
On confiscation, when you add conditions affecting the transactability of an asset, you affect its value. Plutonium is much more difficult to trade than wheat because plutonium must be carefully stored and transferred. Plutonium is worth nothing to you and me because we could not possibly trade it for stuff we like (without incurring large capital costs — or medical bills). If you load up businesses with all manner of regulation about how their final goods must be packaged, then you decrease their value. Another investor may not be interested in complying with that regulatory regime, move their factory off shore to a non-ridiculous packaging regulating country and hire some locals.
By suggesting the gov’t pass all these regulations, you are essentially confiscating the value of these business in the name of state control. Obviously not directly confiscating them, but, you know, kinda confiscating them….
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Ah, I do go on a bit. Soon I’ll be yammering about differential calculus and all manner of arcane economic theory trying to indulge my towering intellect. I suppose my whole problem with your post was largely personal, not intellectual. Again, I return to your statement:
“Force adoption of recycled content in packaging…”
This throw-away comment of yours says so much about who are and your ideology. That you don’t respect property, intellectual nor tangible. That you don’t respect the fundamental liberty of uncoerced trade. That you define economic activities in terms of political goals. That you favor unchecked authoritarianism.
You think that there is more “social” gain by a radical change in methods of production, without respect to the risks and costs undertaken by the producer-owners. Your attitude is very dangerous. People who share it risk destroying the productivity that gives them the standard of living they take for granted. When you want the state to guarantee your retirement and healthcare, there will be nothing left for them to tax.
I hope the revolution does come when I return from San Tropez. There is no reconciling our opinions. So when you ask the gov’t to confiscate your fellow citizens’ property without due process at the point of gun, I sure hope they shoot back.
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